Dena Winter, FKA May Waver, is an artist and production designer known for her audiovisual explorations of intimacy, environment, memory, and selfhood in the so-called digital age. She joins Humor and the Abject this week from the frozen tundras of her home in St. Paul, MN to talk about the advent of her online alter ego May Waver, the value of tenderness in art and life, perceptions of self and ego, perceptions of authenticity, working in set design for stage and the big screen including a new movie she’s part of called American Tender, life in the Twin Cities, and more. Halfway through the episode, you’ll hear the Custom Sound Collage for November’s Patreon Lottery winner, Jacob W. For a chance to win your own, support Humor and the Abject on Patreon. The outro music is “Mall of America” by Desaparecidos. Check out the trailer for American Tender at the bottom of this post.