You’re probably already following Jenson Leonard on Instagram. He’s Cory in the Abyss, the hilarious and pointed poet, digital artist, and meme producer. Jenson dropped by the kitchen this week to talk about antiblackness in meme culture, the ways in which vernacular is appropriated for material capital, building layers and layers of comedy into his work, the tragedy of the comments section, studying creative writing at Pratt, why he wouldn’t want to be Robin Williams, and a whole lot more. Shout out to the dude Andrew Shuta for introducing us. Artist and writer manuel arturo abreu did a really, really great interview with Jenson for AQNB a while back which we talked about on the episode, and was instrumental in helping me to form my questions for the podcast this week. Give it a read and share. The outro music is “Summer Holidays vs. Punk Routine” by the Refused.